Sunday, December 13, 2009

On Gay Marriage

If the only thing I knew on this topic was that most (if not all) people opposed to gay marriage were religious, it would be sufficient for me to support gay marriage, but that's an ad hominem reason. So here goes.
Being allowed to marry obviously matters to gay people, not only for emotional reasons, but also for the rights that marriage automatically confers. Depriving the right to them, then does hurt gay people, whereas granting them the right hurts no one ( well except for those religious nuts who fell aggrieved when they are referred to as Party A and Party B instead of husband and wife). If we assume that in our lives we try to minimise hurt, then its clear we must support gay marriage.
Now that should convince most reasonable people, but religious nuts aren't exactly reasonable, and much energy and effort must be spent debating and refuting stupid stuff like(some strawmen , but hard to distinguish from real arguments , thanks to Poe's law)
  • The traditional definition of marriage is a union between one man and one woman.
Now first this is a lie. Most cultures defined marriage as between one man and many women (and generally underage women). Women were traditionally treated as property and were sold. And if you go back far enough , you probably had no such thing as marriage. But even if it were true, that something is traditional doesn't make it right (slavery was traditional, sati was traditional, racism was traditional...)
  • Gay people are recruiters!
Coming from religious people , this is a laugh. No baby is ever born religious or knows or cares about religion.
  • The human race would end.
Uhh no.
  • Being gay is a sin.
Only if you obsess about sex and sexual positions.
  • My religion says this is a sin, I'm religious and so I must oppose gay marriage.
Well your religion also tells you to donate a good percentage of your money to charity, be a really nice person, don't judge anyone , love everyone, why don't you practise those first?
  • God will punish us if we permit gay marriage. The world will end! Do you not know what happens in Sodom and Gomorrah???
Considering the number of truly evil people who exist in this world (a good percentage of them religious) about whom God has done absolutely nothing, this isn't really convincing. Also see above
  • Our children will become gay.
Its quite possible, that even if you banned gay marriage, your children still might be gay. What are you going to do then? Are you going to abandon them? call them sinners? tell them how they are to burn in hell? or will you wish them happiness?
  • I find it offensive to see gay people demonstrate their affection publicly
Close your eyes.
  • People persecute us for our views on marriage
Uhh , straight people can get married any time, gay people can't. who is persecuting whom?

  • Im religious , and I should be allowed to be a bigot.
Go see a psychiatrist
  • Being gay is a choice
When did you choose to be straight? were you gay up till that time? And who cares whether its a genetic determination or whether its a choice?

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